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| Immigrant entrepreneur: | Veronica Moya |
| Company: | Wedding Packages NYC |
| Place of birth: | Argentina |
| Employees: | 20 |
Show notes
Veronica had many odd jobs when she came to the United States at 21 years old. She worked at different cafe shops, as an au pair, at a health club, and during this time she was always auditioning to become an actor. Her dream was to become and actor and that’s what she wanted to do in New York.
Even after being fired from several jobs, she was still persistent to find her passions.
Her entrepreneurial drive really kicked in when she was getting married. She found out that she needed a wedding officiant and after discovering that they made $500 per wedding she told herself that she can do it too!
Without any experience in the wedding industry, without even being a wedding planner she went full force and decided that she will figure it all out.
During COVID in 2020 she hosted 500+ weddings alone, in one year!!
Quotes by Veronica
It’s all about making the decision. You make a decision and then things happen.
Fake it, till you make it.
Everything happened organically for me.
Life will always show you what you’re supposed to do.
Never bite more than you can chew.
I never felt that anything was hard or a struggle.
I have faith.
We’re all meant for greatness, we’re all meant for success and happiness.
Where to find Veronica
[read more] Alina Warrick (0s):
Welcome to the Immigrant Entrepreneurs Podcast, Episode 45.
Veronica Moya (6s):
Oh, well, we didn’t have a democratic government. The militaries took over the government. And they, it’s like, they would decide what goes and what doesn’t. So they’ll decide on the TV show so we can watch. So the TV was very limited. The music was very limited. A lot of artists have to exile, because if they didn’t, they would be executed for saying the wrong thing or having opinions. People disappear. Yes. So people disappear and they’re called the desaparecidos, but they didn’t disappear. They got killed.
Alina Warrick (39s):
Today. We have Veronica Moya on the show. Veronica immigrated to United States when she was 21 years old all by herself. She saved up $2,000 and it came with a determination that she was going to become an actor. She had several odd jobs from working at cafes to living out a host family as an au pair, working at a health club, and several odd jobs in between, but never reached her dream of becoming an actor. She found her business Wedding Packages NYC merely by accident. She was getting married and she needed to find a wedding officiant for her wedding.
Alina Warrick (1m 20s):
A light bulb went on in her head when she found out that wedding officiants made of $500 to officiate one wedding. Although she had absolutely no experience in wedding planning, or how to officiate a wedding, she dove right in to learn everything about it from scratch. And that’s how Wedding Packages NYC was launched. So let’s dive right in and hear all about her journey. Alright, Veronica, thank you so much for coming on the Immigrant Entrepreneurs Podcast. I truly appreciate your time. And I’m super excited to talk about your journey because I’ve read about your story on the Immigrant Hustle Book.
Alina Warrick (2m 3s):
So I’m super excited. And welcome to the show.
Veronica Moya (2m 8s):
Thank you. So happy to be here.
Alina Warrick (2m 10s):
So let’s get right to it. Let’s talk about your immigrant journey. Tell us where you’re from, and when did you come to the United States?
Veronica Moya (2m 19s):
So, I’m from Argentina, originally, and I came here about 2000.
Alina Warrick (2m 27s):
Okay, and was that the first time that you came to the United States or the second time?
Veronica Moya (2m 33s):
Oh, no. So… yeah, so I started, I guess I started coming in ’97. It wasn’t the first time. So I came, you know, when I was younger for vacation with my family. So I have been coming here a few times. And then, but that’s when I just made the decision. I made a bag. I packed one bag, and I had $2,000 that I saved, and I was determined to come and stay. So that’s why I said, I always say, I came in 2000 because that’s when I decided. You know, I’m not playing anymore. Before that, I was like back and forth and I was doing other things. I came with an exchange program to be an au pair.
Veronica Moya (3m 14s):
My family obviously didn’t want me to move here. So it was a pull and push for a while for a few years. I always think that I was interesting because you know, it’s all about making the decision, right? You make the decision and then things happen. Up until then it was very wishy washy, and I was struggling with family and stuff. People not wanting me to come and then I just made a decision says, “Screw it.” And I
Alina Warrick (3m 41s):
Awesome. And how old were you?
Veronica Moya (3m 43s):
So at that time, okay, I had to say the truth. It’s hard. I was 26 years old.
Alina Warrick (3m 52s):
26. Okay, yeah, that’s super young still. So, you came by yourself?
Veronica Moya (3m 57s):
Yes.
Alina Warrick (3m 58s):
Okay. And did you have any family of friends here or…?
Veronica Moya (4m 3s):
No. So I did know this girl from English class because I did take some English classes back in ’93. It was a Russian girl and I knew her. So I crushed in her place for a couple of weeks when I first came in, and she got me connected with a guy in Brighton Beach. For those who know New York, you know where Brighton Beach is, it’s like 45 minutes away from the city. I rented a tiny studio. So she helped me get that connection. But that’s it. I only knew her at the time. I’m trying to remember what I did when I first came in. I think I was waitressing and I was waiting for my visa when I first arrived.
Veronica Moya (4m 44s):
So I think I was doing like hosting at restaurants, and waitressing, and things like that.
Alina Warrick (4m 51s):
Did you come on a working visa?
Veronica Moya (4m 53s):
Right, I’m waiting for it. It wasn’t a success.
Alina Warrick (4m 55s):
Got it.
Veronica Moya (4m 56s):
So didn’t happen. So that’s what I’m saying, I got fired for many jobs because, you know, it’s normal that people try to take advantage or, you know, I got hit. I used to be attractive when I was younger. So that, you know, the whole me to movement is so funny to me because like, who didn’t get harassed when they were young? Please. So I got harassed all the time. And I have a temper, and I have personality, so I’ll answer back or ridicule them in front of people, and then I’ll get fired. But it happened so many times. So I got fired from a few jobs waitressing and hosting. You know, the owner would always want to whatever, and they’ll be like, screw you.
Veronica Moya (5m 38s):
And then that was that. And then I had to get another job. And because I didn’t have my papers yet, I couldn’t get a job like a real place. Like, I don’t know, Applebee’s or like, we… you know. It was all cash.
Alina Warrick (5m 54s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (5m 54s):
So that went on for maybe, I don’t know, a few months, maybe less than a year. And then my visa kicked in. And I got other jobs.
Alina Warrick (6m 5s):
I wanted to know, what was it like growing up in Argentina?
Veronica Moya (6m 9s):
Pretty mellow. I have a nice family. My two parents were always together and younger sister. Pretty shelter. I mean, we were, I guess, middle class or lower middle class. Just normal mellow. Nothing to shout about. So, there’s not a lot of opportunities. I just don’t want to be a cliche. But obviously, Argentina is a third world country. For people who don’t know, I grew up in the late 70s and 80s. And we were under a military regime. So there were very little opportunities. There still are. So things are extremely different from here in terms of like, even when you’re a child, there’s not so many extra curricular activities and things that you learn other than read and write.
Veronica Moya (6m 59s):
So music appreciation, or gymnastics, or sports, we’re not big in sports at all other than football of course, and soccer. So, yeah, very limited.
Alina Warrick (7m 15s):
And why is it limited? Because I read in the book where your dad was constantly saying that you had to leave Argentina to get better opportunities.
Veronica Moya (7m 22s):
Right.
Alina Warrick (7m 23s):
Argentina is not, doesn’t have a lot of opportunities or even fairness. And so why is that?
Veronica Moya (7m 30s):
Well, I don’t know. I’m not an economist. I can’t talk about that for a long time. And well, I think the entire continent of South America is like that. If you ask why. I don’t know. I guess it’s the limitation and
Alina Warrick (7m 45s):
You said it was under a military regime, what does that mean?
Veronica Moya (7m 48s):
Oh, well, we didn’t have a democratic government. The military’s took over the government. And they it’s like, they would decide what goes and what doesn’t. So they’ll decide on the TV shows, so we can watch. So the TV was very limited, the music was very limited. A lot of artists have to exile because if they didn’t, they would be executed for saying the wrong thing or having opinions. People disappear. Yes. So people disappear, and they’re called the desaparecidos, but they didn’t disappear. They got killed. So first, you get “kidnapped”, and then you’ll get killed. That’s why there were a lot of children without parents, and then they were selling them to people who didn’t have children.
Veronica Moya (8m 32s):
There was a movie that won the Oscar, that was about that. Anyway, so that was happening. So because they need control, the way to control people is to limit them. So it was limited. But even today, I mean, I’ve been out of there over 20 years, and I still see like my husband cannot believe the economy there, and it’s incredible. It’s from a science fiction movie. Nobody, no normal person can understand. My sister lives in Belfast now. So I moved here and she moved to England. And she has a husband who’s from there as well, and he can…. Anybody who looks at it, they’ll asked me, “What?” It’s a head-scratcher. I don’t know. I don’t understand why?
Alina Warrick (9m 13s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (9m 13s):
But it is, it is very limited. Like I said, still today, still today, things have not really changed. I mean, some things have changed. Like I said, if you want — Like I remember, I had a classmate in school, she wanted to be some kind of scientist or an anthropologist. That’s what she wants to be. She wanted to an anthropologist. And I laughed so hard. I remember her telling me we were probably 10 years old at the time, 10 or 12, no more. And I thought she’s so, “Oh my God, you’re so delusional.” She was, “Well, you’ll never do it here.” Of course she got upset. She got — So today, she’s a 40 something year old woman like myself. And do you think she’s an anthropologist?
Veronica Moya (9m 54s):
Of course not. You can learn that. There is no, you know, if you are a scientist, if you are an explorer, or an investigator, it’s not the best place to develop those skills.
Alina Warrick (10m 8s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (10m 8s):
So most people will like go to school and then probably get a scholarship or get a Master’s somewhere else, I suppose.
Alina Warrick (10m 16s):
Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah, because we learned so much from different countries in on this show, and how they operate, and what has changed. And last week, I spoke with a gentleman from Somalia, and he said, their government actually chose their career path for.
Veronica Moya (10m 34s):
Ohh.
Alina Warrick (10m 35s):
So, in Somalia, they said, you’re going to be a doctor, and doesn’t matter. You’re gonna go to school and get a, you know, become a doctor, or an engineer.
Veronica Moya (10m 42s):
Wow. That’s even worse. I here am complaining I love music, and art.
Alina Warrick (10m 48s):
Yeah. No, so it’s really interesting to hear about every single different country and how they operated, right?
Veronica Moya (10m 55s):
Wow.
Alina Warrick (10m 55s):
Like, you know, what was it like in Argentina? What was it like in Africa? What was it like in China? So this is where all the amazing journeys come from…
Veronica Moya (11m 5s):
Right.
Alina Warrick (11m 5s):
Is from your hometown.
Veronica Moya (11m 6s):
So yeah, so sorry.
Alina Warrick (11m 8s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (11m 8s):
To answer your question. Yeah, the reason my father said that is because the cards are dealt in a way that is virtually impossible to do well financially if you play by the rules, because the rules are absurd, right? So the taxes are just ridiculous. And so nobody plays by the rules. Really, you have to either do get paid under the table, or do something on the side, or try to avoid paying certain taxes or doing certain things. And there’s a lot of, like over there, if you get stopped by the police, it’s well known, you just, you give them a bribe, and you keep going. There’s no such a, you know, there’s no pride.
Veronica Moya (11m 48s):
And so because of that, it is so hard to get ahead, doing it right. So if you’re honest, and you want to do things properly, and live an honest life, and you want to succeed, that’s not the best place to do that. So that’s why he was saying, you need to leave. You need to go. Either do it somewhere else, or if you stay here, you had to be a cook. Those are your choices. Yeah.
Alina Warrick (12m 11s):
Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing that. Tell me about the struggles that you had to go through when you first immigrated.
Veronica Moya (12m 18s):
So I like to say I did not feel any struggles at all. So I’m going to talk about from when I first came in, like I said, in ’97, I was an au pair. And I was hire, you know, I was where I had a contract for a year. I was getting paid $150 a week. And I live with a family. I was working from 8am to 6pm, taking care of two kids, doing their laundry, driving them around, yada, yeah. I lived in the attic. And then after that family, then I worked for another family, and I lived in the basement. And I remember the time my boyfriend’s mother came to visit one day, and she’s like crying for me.
Veronica Moya (12m 59s):
And she’s like, “Oh, my God, Veronica, what are you doing here? Why are you living here?” You know, she thought was such a terrible ordeal. Why am I leaving someone’s house in the basement? But the thing is, I never experienced this as a bad thing or a struggle. I mean, certainly could have had a much cushier life back home. And at the time, my father was doing well, financially. So like I said, everybody was trying to convince me to go back and have an easier life. At this time, I already knew English very well. So that’s what I was, when I went back home, I used to teach English as a second language. And I was doing well.
Veronica Moya (13m 39s):
Everybody thought, “Oh, my God, oh, my God, what is struggle.” Like I never, not once did I feel it was a struggle. Never was. Even whatever I had to do, I was happy, I was so enthusiastic, and so… I was just happy to be here, and everything was an experience, and everything was new. It was awesome. And then so when I came back in 2000, like I said, I think looking at from the outside, if you really look at it, yes, what my first job was, as a hostess in a tiny Bistro in the Upper West Side. And the owner, you know, it was a tiny place. The owner was also the chef and he owned the place.
Veronica Moya (14m 19s):
And he was determined on dating me. And of course, I didn’t want to date him, it was gross. And you know, I was always very smart. I was very good at rejecting people in a way that it was fine. People understood this, then that all my life. But then one day, of course, I got enough. And he said something in front of clients or someone. And I answered, I put him down. And that was that. So I get fired. And he’s like, he didn’t pay me for the last couple of weeks that I worked. He’s like, “Okay, bye.” Because he was paying me cash anyway. So I’m like, “Oh, I don’t think so.” So I talked to a friend of mine was a lawyer.
Veronica Moya (15m 3s):
He wrote a letter and I got my money back, and whatever. I guess… so then another time I was — so after that I worked at an Italian restaurant of town, ,it doesn’t exist anymore. And I started dating the nephew of the owner. And the owner, I don’t think for me, I guess, and it was wonderful. It was like in the movies. This idiot is like forbidden that we date or some stupid thing like that. Long story short, I get fired. And my managers feel really bad because they all like me. And the managers got me another job at another restaurant from…
Alina Warrick (15m 40s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (15m 40s):
I didn’t like. I used hate work in a restaurants. I really hated it. So that’s my big struggle. I hated with a passion. And then my age, and so I got here on a visa. This is embarrassing for me, but I got on a modeling visa from a modeling agency. So they were sending me on jobs. And so were not a lot of modeling jobs for me. Obviously, I’m almost 30. I was like 27 at this time. I used to do like fit model, and shoe model, and this. And so they sent me for an interview to be a receptionist at a leasing office.
Alina Warrick (16m 17s):
Okay.
Veronica Moya (16m 17s):
And this is a good company, because the headhunter was there in the building, whatever, whatever. Anyway, I go, and I get the job. That was actually pretty great. So I started being the host, or the receptionist at the leasing office of brand new building at the Caroline’s on 23rd Street. And then when the leasing office closed, after they rent all the apartments is over. The owners is also a New York Health and Racquet Club. So they got me a job at the club. And I used to make, when I started, $7 an hour.
Alina Warrick (16m 51s):
Wow.
Veronica Moya (16m 52s):
Yeah, my job was to be a gym person. I had to walk around the gym, and clean the machines, and see if you need anything. Now, I’ve never been in a gym before in my life. I didn’t know what a treadmill was. It is a disaster. But again, I have fun. I liked it. I met a lot of people. Here we go. I think I started — you know, I was really good. I learned a lot very quickly. I got promoted as manager in training. Manager in training used to make $400 a week, I think, or $350. I don’t know it’s probably $400, and then they take taxes, you know. So it was kind of a set income. And then I was the assistant manager, Assistant to General Manager.
Veronica Moya (17m 35s):
And then I got promoted as the general manager. And it was awesome. I learned a lot. Actually, I email the president of the company a few months ago because now I’m running my company. I was like, “Oh my God, how did you do?” Like I learned so much from him. I had, you put up with this. I sent him an email saying, “I really value everything that I learned from you. And I got a new perspective.” They were great. So I learned a lot from that job. And that I just, I lost that job because I was, I’ve always been headstrong, and yeah, I always have a very strong personality.
Alina Warrick (18m 14s):
And during this time, you’re still doing auditions and trying to get into acting, right?
Veronica Moya (18m 19s):
Right, I’m sorry. So I originally came here because I wanted to be on Broadway. And once again, as I explained before, in Argentina, there was not a lot of training. No training anyway. You know, musical theater didn’t exist back then, at all. So I had to start from scratch. It was a very long road. I never made it, basically. I mean, I did, you know, I made a huge improvement. I was getting callbacks for equity shows, which is a big deal, but I never landed anything. I mean, I didn’t do very well. But I was going to auditions and I got, you know, I did some small things and working at the health club.
Veronica Moya (18m 59s):
Oh, and okay. So I forgot, when I was doing my restaurant tour, oh, my restaurant jobs, one of the jobs that I landed was at Lynn’s cafe. Lynn, I think she died now. I think, I think, yeah. I think I heard that she passed away because she had cancer. But Lynn was the owner. She had a little cafe and a catering company. Oh my God, this woman, she was a tyrant. Everybody was afraid of her. She was terrible. When we started this little place, and my job was just to take orders. And I used to just take the takeout orders, right, like the little coffee and the lunch order.
Veronica Moya (19m 41s):
And then there was another couple of people who take the big orders for the catering. And she was really tough, really, really tough, and everybody was scared. Nobody could last more than two weeks. It was like God, The Devil Wears Prada?
Alina Warrick (19m 56s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (19m 56s):
It was like that. It was exactly like that. I mean
Veronica Moya (20m 37s):
Anyway, but because I work with her, and I did well. And she did like me, in her own way. She wasn’t a very expressive, but she,
Veronica Moya (21m 18s):
He thought was like the best thing. And I would land all these jobs, right? Like most of them, I couldn’t take them because then, by the time he was sending me I was already very happy at the health club. So I’m like, “Okay, I’m gonna stay here.” But when I stopped working at the health club, I went back to the headhunter. So yeah, so I had a lot of management jobs, sales jobs, because management and sales are kind of together. So I learned a lot like it was truly a school for me, for today, right, for my business today. But most of my learning was at the health club.
Veronica Moya (21m 59s):
I’ll be forever eternally grateful to all of them. Charles Damiano and Howard Brodsky, and all of them, fantastic.
Alina Warrick (22m 9s):
So how did you get into Wedding Packages NYC? How did you open up that company?
Veronica Moya (22m 14s):
Very good. So then, and I think, when was it, 2007, I got married to my first husband. So we needed a wedding officiant. I didn’t know this existed, this was event. By this time the internet is a thing. It’s working. So we look it up in the internet. And I found someone and I realized this is a job and this wedding officiants were making $500 to officiate a wedding. I said, “What?” So I’m like, “Alright.” I said, “I can do that. I’m an actress, I like public speaking, I can talk in front of people.” So I said, “Hey, this is something I can do.” So I got licensed.
Veronica Moya (22m 54s):
I got all my certifications. I put up a little website. I remember my first website was nothing. It was my name, my little bio, and basically nothing. I didn’t have any photos of any weddings. But of course, things as they will be this Mexican guy hire me was my very first wedding. Obviously, I’ll never forget. I charged him 100 bucks. And we did this ceremony in Grand Central Station. He was married an American girl. I still I always think it was probably a green car wedding. But I don’t know, it was my first wedding. And I had a friend come and take pictures of that first wedding. So then, of course, I uploaded those pictures on my website.
Veronica Moya (23m 36s):
And let me tell you, it’s just snowball. I don’t know how I started working, and working, and working. And I was made, I started you know, I had weekends, I was making $2,000 a weekend, while my poor husband at the time he was making $400 a week working nine to five at a job.
Alina Warrick (23m 56s):
So Veronica, did you have… you said, you had no experience in officiating any wedding. So how did you come up with, “Okay, this is the program. And this is what we’re gonna talk about.” How did you develop that, if this is completely brand new to you?
Veronica Moya (24m 13s):
Mm-hmm. Well, common sense, right? I mean, it’s just a ceremony, no big deal. So I went online and I looked for samples of ceremonies to get inspired and figure out what you are supposed to say. And I created my own script. And then at the time, I used to customize my scripts a lot. So I used to interview the couples. I used to see them. We meet, we talk about their likes, their dislikes, how they met, and I would include that in the write up, and then I’ll talk about them. It was just, it came very natural to me. I mean, you know, I like improvise. I also took classes in improvisation. Oh my God, I’ve done so many things. It’s totally amazing when I would have put it all together.
Veronica Moya (24m 57s):
But yes, so because being an actor, or being train as an actor is such an amazing skill. And so I was like I was an actor, and I was an empath. I was working as an intuitive as well. So all those things really came together for me. And when I’m in front of the couple, there’s a lot of intuition that goes into because you’re just, you’re… all you have to do is just be present. And I knew this. And I was like, I was never again, I was never struggling, or nervous, or feeling funny. I’m sure, listen, I’m sure, my first weddings I was nervous. I’m sure. And I’m sure I was concerned. You know, I wanted to do a good job, I’m sure.
Veronica Moya (25m 37s):
Now, I don’t remember the feeling so much. But I do remember that people responded to me, as a person to my warmth, and my caring, and my just being there for them being present. And once I figured that out, it was just… it was a piece of cake.
Alina Warrick (25m 56s):
Did you end up quitting all your other jobs?
Veronica Moya (25m 58s):
Yes. Yes. So before I knew it, that was a big moment. So I divorced my first husband. Things didn’t work out, but he’s a great guy. But that didn’t work out. So I moved out. And I rented an apartment in Manhattan. Anyway, so I came here, I came to Manhattan. And I had a roommate originally, and I didn’t like my roommate, so I got rid of her. I’m telling you, I am a little difficult. And now what do I do? Right? I have this huge one bedroom apartment on 34th Street, I was paying $2400 a month, which at the time I thought was a lot of money was for me, I was alone.
Veronica Moya (26m 39s):
I don’t know, fake it till you make it. So at this point, I didn’t have any other — at this point, I quit full-time jobs, you know, jobs that have worked for other people. The only thing that I kept was I was ushering Broadway at night. But that was not really money. There was just more for fun, because absolutely love Broadway. And I used to usher Rock of Ages, which I thought a million times, and I loved it. So that was more for fun than money. At this point, yes, I quit. And I was just doing the weddings and the readings. And I was really good with entire readings as well, I had a lot of clients, and the weddings kept growing. And now, so now we are in 2000 what?
Veronica Moya (27m 22s):
’10, ’11? And this is when I started doing a little bit of the packages. It was very small packages. And it was very, again, everything happened organically for me, right? And I just let it be, I just let it happen from point A to point B. So the marriage didn’t work. We didn’t try to make it work, based on, well, we love each other and we’re good people. Yeah, that’s true, but we don’t get along. So what are we doing? Forget it. Life will always show you what you’re supposed to do. So with my business, it was the same thing. Life show me that people wanted one-stop shop. They wanted to get everything done in one place. They always…
Alina Warrick (28m 1s):
And it was nothing like that in New York City? Or were there other companies that were doing something similar but didn’t do the entire package?
Veronica Moya (28m 9s):
At the time, I didn’t know. I don’t think there was anything, to be honest with you.
Alina Warrick (28m 13s):
Got it, got it.
Veronica Moya (28m 14s):
I mean, I don’t know. I wasn’t aware of it. People ask me. So people — the first thing, so one thing that you will always need, you don’t need a wedding planner, but you definitely need a wedding officiant. You need to make your marriage legal. Somebody has to sign that license and make it legal. That’s the one wedding vendor that you cannot do without. A lot of people will go to city clerk to get married, and so again, you’re using a wedding officiant. Everybody there is a certified licensed officiant. So that’s the one thing that people will always need for their wedding. So they will contact me, “We want to get married. What do we do? Okay, how do they go? Oh, well, Veronica, but wait, do you know, a photographer?
Veronica Moya (28m 54s):
Do you have a photographer? Oh, do you have flowers?” “Oh, like, yeah, sure.” So now, at this point, I already have my little team, a couple of photographers that work with me. And then I started making the little bouquets. And in the beginning I used to make, you know, I wanted to make money, and save money. I used to make the bouquets myself. Oh my God, what a mistake that was.
Alina Warrick (29m 15s):
Wow.
Veronica Moya (29m 16s):
Yeah, you know, because like, “Oh, I can do it.” Because I used to live on 34th Street right next to the flower district. I’m like, “Oh, yeah, I’ll get fresh flowers. I’ll make, you know, I’m handy.” No, no, no, no, no, no. Don’t do that. Anyway, so slowly it snowball and it grew really organically. And then in 2015 is when I officially created the company that you see today, Wedding Packages NYC, and completely like this is a really, you know, another ballgame. So now, and that grew also. It grew really fast. But again, everything I’ve done on this I am proud of it has always been proper, in the sense of like organically and I put one step in front of the other and strong steps.
Veronica Moya (30m 6s):
Meaning I never tried to bite more than I could chew. I see this happening today a lot, it’s upsetting to me. I see people charging crazy amounts for services that I don’t think they’re prepared to give, or they’re not prepared to charge that kind of money. With me, when I started the company, I think my prices were half of where they are today. So the way my prices changed, and everything changed was because we grew and I improve. I improve on my team. I hire different professionals. I hire people with more experience, with more talent, with more expertise, with more years, with more seniority, and they deserve to get paid more.
Veronica Moya (30m 52s):
So then they get paid more. And then, you know, and the end result is that people are getting amazing, an amazing product, amazing service.
Alina Warrick (31m 1s):
And so what do you guys offer? I saw a rooftop weddings. You cover the flowers, the photography, what else do you guys offer? And what kind of packages do you guys have?
Veronica Moya (31m 14s):
Right, so this is a one-stop shop wedding packages for the ceremony. We specialize in Central Park weddings, and we specialize in people from out of town. People who want to elope in New York City, Las Vegas style. But in New York, New York has always been so beautiful and full of life, and lots of variety. So the idea is, we started the ceremony in the park in Central Park, which is absolutely iconic and gorgeous for photos. And then some couples can go to other places, other parts of the city, the Brooklyn Bridge, and Time Square, and do photos there. So what we offer them is a one-stop shop, like I said, because when you’re doing your wedding you need your officiant, your flowers, your photographer, the musician, the hair and makeup, all that.
Veronica Moya (32m 2s):
The reason why what is so stressful is because you have to follow up with everybody. You have to hire all the vendors or, you know, I guess you need to get a wedding planner, but even with a wedding planner, you do a lot of following up, and a lot of interview, and all that stuff. So we cut all that for them. They just, they buy the package with the services that they want. So you can do a package as simple as just a ceremony, which would be just the wedding officiant and the Central Park permit. Or you can do more elaborate package, the silver package, or the carriage ride, which would include the hair and makeup, and musician, two hours of photography, etc.
Veronica Moya (32m 44s):
And so we take care of everything for you. So, let’s say, if it’s a Central Park wedding, we go there with a team. The reason the thing what I think, the reason why I am doing a lot better than my competitors, and I’m sorry to say this, but sadly it is true. And I learned this past year 2020, we had our best year during the pandemic.
Alina Warrick (33m 5s):
Wow.
Veronica Moya (33m 6s):
Yeah, we did really well. Obviously, nobody from out of town. But everybody from New York and New Jersey, they chose us to do their ceremony. People still got married. Let me tell you why I’ve done so many weddings this past year in weddings in Zoom. People do not stop getting married no matter what. I mean pandemic or no pandemic they’re doing it. And a lot of people still wanted to have a meaningful and beautiful experience.
Alina Warrick (33m 35s):
Why were you better than the competitors?
Veronica Moya (33m 38s):
Alright, yes. So a couple of things. I got married for a second time with my wonderful husband, Bradley Lau, that I have now. We had an awesome wedding. And this is what I said. This is how I learned with both my — see this is funny now, I’m tying it all together. With my first marriage is so I became an officiant. With my second wedding is how I learned about this new business. Because we did our wedding in Central Park. And we did ourselves because he’s also a minister, and he’s also a photographer, and he’s been in the wedding business for a while, and we said “Oh, we can do this ourselves, right?” And no, we should have. So we, you know, and I have a smart friends every — you know, my friends are working.
Veronica Moya (34m 22s):
And I employ my friends to do things, you know, whatever. My one friend was supposed to have the glass for us to step on. And the other one was supposed to put the aisle runner, and the rose petals, and this and that. And they did not do a good job. And so I learned a lot with my wedding. So now, so I use that to improve the ideal service to my couples. So the difference between me and the other couples is that I understand how important that support system is. So it’s not just that we sell you the photographer, and the flowers, and the makeup. No, it’s not about that. You can get those vendors on your own. You can have them anywhere, sure.
Veronica Moya (35m 2s):
What we do, I think the key thing, the most attractive thing of my company is the support system, because the packages that we sell, when you buy one of our packages, you get the bridal attendant, and the bridal assistant. And we have a team that goes to the place, closes to place for you, we know exactly how to put down the rose petals, exactly how to set the space. We receive their guests. There’s an usher that is there to show them where it is. Because those are things that you cannot have your family. You cannot count on your family and friends to do that on your wedding day.
Alina Warrick (35m 40s):
Oh, yeah.
Veronica Moya (35m 41s):
Because they’re going to be nervous, they’re going to be emotional, and it’s not fair. You know, things happen. And then you get cranky or things didn’t go the way. But these people are working for you. That’s their job. We have one person whose job is only just to stay by the bride, hold her bouquet, give her a tissue, give her water, fix her hair, and make sure she looks good for the photos. That’s her job. It’s a job. It’s not the bridesmaid. It’s not the maid of honor. It’s not the sister. It’s someone that, right. It’s someone that got paid to do that. And I think that’s the golden ticket.
Veronica Moya (36m 20s):
That’s the reason why we grew in a way that it just shocks me, you know. And then and I think it’s also synergy and an energy thing that because I have so many people now working for me, and everybody needs to work, and everybody wants to be busy. That also creates, you know what? It needed me to continue to generate more work, more opportunities, so everybody can be busy.
Alina Warrick (36m 46s):
What a genius service you’ve developed over the years by just starting to be an officiant. And then you start filling in those holes, those loopholes where people were asking, “Where is this? And where is that?” And you kind of just developed this beautiful and amazing packages for these people to get married. So, Veronica, how old were you when you started that business?
Veronica Moya (37m 7s):
Huh, 42.
Alina Warrick (37m 10s):
42, awesome.
Veronica Moya (37m 11s):
Or 41, yeah.
Alina Warrick (37m 14s):
41 or 42. And did you have to raise any capital to start your business?
Veronica Moya (37m 18s):
No, no, no, never. Again, everything is organic. So no, I don’t need to raise any capital. I just shoot, you know.
Alina Warrick (37m 25s):
And so did you market yourself somewhere? Facebook ads, Google ad, social media?
Veronica Moya (37m 31s):
No. I’m not. Yeah, I’m not a big ad person. But what I did once again, organic is a keyword today. So, let me tell you so, I tell you how, it’s also been surprising to me. I have done a lot of YouTube videos. The reason I did the videos was not it with the intention to promote myself or to sell the business. The reason is because I would get the same questions all the time. People ask or send me emails, and call, and ask the same question. Same question I got tired of answering them. I got fed up. So I’ll make videos answering those questions. So videos on, how do we apply for a marriage license? Videos on, where to find park in New York?
Veronica Moya (38m 13s):
Videos on where to go for dinner or the reception after your wedding? How to whatever, whatever. So I started making videos. And let me tell you 90% of the people found me in YouTube. Everybody, and this year has been, especially with the Spanish community, everybody found me. I’ve spent more than 90, 97, everyone. Oh, and I also, another thing I did immediately, like right off the bat, is to place, to be in the Google… What do you call it? Google My Business? But I never paid. I never paid a penny for advertisement except for WeddingWire. I was listed in WeddingWire. I’ve been in WeddingWire for a while since I was — I was in WeddingWire as a wedding officiant.
Veronica Moya (38m 58s):
The WeddingWire on the net. But now I got out two years ago. I don’t pay them anymore. It’s very nice because when you’ve been with them for a while, I have been with them for like 10 years. I don’t advertise with them anymore. But my profile is still there. And I have…
Alina Warrick (39m 15s):
Oh.
Veronica Moya (39m 15s):
I know. And I have 106 reviews. And guess what, people are still finding me through that. I just got an inquiry yesterday from WeddingWire. You know why? Because when couples get married, they tagged the business that they work with. So there was this one couple that tagged me and she posted pictures that we took of her wedding. And so somebody contacted me and said, “Hey, I saw pictures of so and so, and I wanted to learn about. It just…
Alina Warrick (39m 45s):
Awesome.
Veronica Moya (39m 46s):
It happened like that very…
Alina Warrick (39m 48s):
Very organically, which is the way to go. Awesome. I love it. I love it. And Veronica, did you have any mentors that helped you out to start your business?
Veronica Moya (39m 56s):
Well, yeah, like I said before, I didn’t have mentors for this business per se, very self started. And you know —
Alina Warrick (40m 4s):
You just did it solo.
Veronica Moya (40m 5s):
Yes, I mean, my husband. But you know, like I said, I think I use all the people that for me who I am today they’ve been they’re like ghosts, like in my head. Anyway.
Alina Warrick (40m 18s):
Yeah, yeah. So how do you stay productive throughout the day to ensure that everything is taken care of? Do you have like goals that you just make sure that you run through them in the morning? How do you stay productive? Because you’re managing, is it 20 employees?
Veronica Moya (40m 33s):
Yes. Well, they are not employees. They are contractors.
Alina Warrick (40m 38s):
Okay.
Veronica Moya (40m 39s):
So then, because the way it works is that they only work with me when we have weddings.
Alina Warrick (40m 44s):
Oh, got it.
Veronica Moya (40m 45s):
Right. I used to have staff Monday through Friday to do the administrative stuff. But now I’m changing that. I mean, I’m always finding new more effective ways to get things done. Right now, I’ve changed a few things. So what I’m doing now is I have different people taking care of different departments like sales. Everything comes to me first. So then I’ll just delegate so I send them, you know, I send the leads to certain team members, and then the new bookings to the coordinators. As for me if I have, I’ll be honest, no, I’m like, I’m very scatterbrain. I’m always thinking about five, six different things that I’m doing.
Veronica Moya (41m 29s):
I wish I could say I have a plan, and I go by it, no. I do have an idea of what I need to do, what I want to do.
Alina Warrick (41m 35s):
And Veronica, how much do you guys charge for your wedding packages? You mentioned there’s like a Silver Package. There’s a
Veronica Moya (41m 42s):
Right. So the average, so for the Silver Package, which is our best seller is $2700. And that package includes, like I said, the good thing about that one is a support system that a lot of people take for granted. And they think “Oh, I don’t need that.” But you know.
Alina Warrick (41m 58s):
Yeah.
Veronica Moya (41m 59s):
But the sad thing is that this is the kind of thing that you don’t know that you needed it. You won’t regret it until it happened. Like it happened for us. For me, in my way.
Alina Warrick (42m 9s):
The Basic Package is how much?
Veronica Moya (42m 11s):
The basic one is $750, that’s without any of the support. And that’s just the ceremony and the park permits, and the logistics person that’s behind the scenes, coordinating the vendors and the permits. So $750 just to have a ceremony, and the Silver Package is $2750. And that one includes the wedding officiant, the photographer, the flowers, the park permit, the bridal attendant, the bridal assistant, and the coordinator behind the scenes.
Alina Warrick (42m 41s):
So you guys just have the two packages?
Veronica Moya (42m 43s):
No, they’re not. Then we have the Carriage Ride Package, and that’s over $4,000.
Alina Warrick (42m 50s):
Wow.
Veronica Moya (42m 51s):
I know. Yes, so the more the higher it is, the more services you have. And that one has two hours of photography, and hair and makeup, and a musician. Yes. And then you have someone who comes picks you up at your hotel room, bring you to the park, or you have a carriage ride for almost an hour, obviously, a violin player, etc, etc, etc.
Alina Warrick (43m 13s):
Okay, so three packages.
Veronica Moya (43m 15s):
Three packages for the Central Park. And then we have some other packages in rooftops, and churches. So I work with one church in the Upper East Side. My husband just opened the first wedding chapel in New York City. It is Las Vegas style, very small. You can have 14 guests there. So that’s one of my packages now as well. As very cute is right there a block away from Central Park, so it’s great. Another super fun package that I have is the Checker Cab. We have the old fashion New York the checker vintage taxicab. Yeah, so the couple decides where they want to get married. It can be anywhere, the park or in Times Square, or Brooklyn Bridge, or any other park, or the hotel, or whatever.
Veronica Moya (43m 60s):
And then they have this vintage checker cab that will pick them up and take them around town to do photos. This includes two hours of photography.
Alina Warrick (44m 9s):
That’s super cute. So how many weddings do you guys normally do on average on, in a year?
Veronica Moya (44m 15s):
Excellent question. Well, like I said last year, I don’t know I should go by it. It was…
Alina Warrick (44m 22s):
Super busy?
Veronica Moya (44m 23s):
Yeah, it was insane. I’ll say over 500 weddings last year. And I think…
Alina Warrick (44m 28s):
No way.
Veronica Moya (44m 29s):
Oh, yeah. Because you have to understand, I know because I talk to my — I have a friend who’s a wedding planner in France. And she does maybe 10 weddings a year. And she doesn’t understand how I make in the hundreds. Like in one weekend, let me tell you, this past year was a Saturday, 10-10? 10-10-20, we did 13 weddings, in one day.
Alina Warrick (44m 51s):
Wow.
Veronica Moya (44m 52s):
Okay, remember I have a team so it’s, you know, I’m not doing all of them. I officiate a one or two, then another person officiating another three, then another person officiated two, then, you know, and was in, you know, some in New York, some in Queens, etc. On average, we’ll do like about two or three weddings Saturday, like in normal times, right. And then during the week like on Friday, maybe we’ll have one or two. And then during the week, there’s always weddings, like Tuesday, Wednesday, especially when we have people coming from out of town. So when you are eloping, and you’re here as a tourist, you don’t care to get married on a Saturday.
Veronica Moya (45m 32s):
So the locals will want to get married in Friday or Saturday, because that’s when people get off from work and then you can celebrate. But if you’re a visitor you can marry on Wednesday, Tuesday, Monday, whatever. So we are actually busy every day. Yeah, so that’s another thing that’s happening. And some people have been disappointed if I’m not at their wedding. But I can’t be everywhere, you know.
Alina Warrick (45m 55s):
Right. You’re growing constantly, so that’s good.
Veronica Moya (45m 59s):
Right.
Alina Warrick (46m 0s):
So Veronica, let’s talk a little bit about successes. Are there any successes that you would like to outline from your immigrant entrepreneur journey?
Veronica Moya (46m 9s):
That is hard, I don’t know. Well, I think this can be considered a success, but I’m not done. My beautiful relationship, my wonderful husband, that’s a success. My life in general, I mean, I don’t know. I’m happy about all the choices that I made. And like I said before, if you look at them from the outside, they look hard, I made a lot of really hard choices. And I’m only saying this because people told me, the one thing that I want to say is that I never felt like anything was hard, or a struggle. But even when I divorced my first husband, I remember friends saying, “Oh, my God, well, you’re so brave, you’re so brave.”
Veronica Moya (46m 52s):
And my father said, you’re going to be a spinster for the rest of your life. What are you going to do now? And blah, blah, blah.” Like, Oh, my God. But I have faith I knew, you know, either or, and like, even if I was going to be alone, what are you going to do? You have to be true. — You know, so I’m leaving the success today. I think, you know, truthfully, we can work from home. I mean, this past year, just prove, has been prove of many things. It just showed us a lot of things to show, the strength, the blessings that we have, the strength of our relationship, the strength of the business. I know, oh, my God, I absolutely love my team. That’s the reason why my competitors didn’t do so well.
Veronica Moya (47m 33s):
A lot of them were very scared, I think. And they didn’t want to work, and they didn’t want to do in person weddings. I was like, I don’t think so. We are outside. And we can keep some distance, and whatever is happening. And nobody stopped us from doing Central Park weddings. The park was open for everybody. You could see people walking their dogs and jogging. You can see people doing picnics. So there was no reason not to. But I got some hate mail, and some of my colleagues writing, “Why are you doing? What is? Where you doing a necessity and essential business?” And I’m like, “No, I wasn’t. But so what.” I mean, it’s common sense, right? Then and the fact of being outside, I mean, nobody said you can’t go to the park.
Veronica Moya (48m 17s):
Everybody’s in the park. So common sense, right. And I love my team, because they all were game. Everybody when I said, “Hey, do you want to do?” It started in May, I think late May. It was our first wedding that we had. And it was right in the heart of the pandemic. And nobody was going out. And this couple right here from New York, they lived a block away from the park. And it was just the two of them, and they’re like they wanted to get married. So I called my musician. She came, and she was happy to do it. The photographer super happy today. Everybody was wearing masks. They came in they did the wedding. And the minister, he wore a mask until the time of the ceremony. And then the couple stood 10 feet away from him.
Veronica Moya (48m 59s):
And everything went well. Nobody got sick. Everybody was happy. And then we just kept doing it. And I just kept advertising, not advertising, paid advertising, but putting it out there and making more videos. That’s what I’m saying about the videos. I kept posting all these YouTube videos that we’re doing weddings, we’re still doing weddings. And then I start working also with Instagram a lot. I have a 14 year old now, she’s 15. She manages — yeah, she’s in Argentina. She’s the daughter of my best friend and she’s been doing my Instagram for Wedding Packages NYC. She’s very good. She’s obviously very good. Bless her soul because I couldn’t do it.
Veronica Moya (49m 41s):
Yeah, I think this is a success.
Alina Warrick (49m 44s):
Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, even coming to America and being a citizen here is a success. Opening up a business is another success. So there’s so many different successes that you’ve had in your entire life and you’re still continuing. So that’s awesome. Veronica, what does the American dream mean to you?
Veronica Moya (50m 5s):
Well, succeeding, feeling free, and able to accomplish what you set out to do. Like I said, which I couldn’t do back home. There’s a lot of regret back home where I’m from. I said, with my friends, and people who are doing “well”, they have a lot of regrets. A lot of things that they want to do, and they cannot do. So over here, the American dream is to be able to accomplish what you set out to do, what do you want to do?
Alina Warrick (50m 36s):
Can anyone reach their American dream?
Veronica Moya (50m 38s):
Yes, if they are realistic, and they are flexible. Because remember, my American dream was to be an actress on Broadway, right? But I was smart enough to be moldable, and to be flexible, and go with the flow, and let life take me where it was going to take me, and accept who I was. So once again, I spoke very briefly about my personality, but I acknowledged and I know, “another easiest person”. I’m not the most agreeable person. And as an actor, I realized this, it was not a good career choice for me, because that was difficult as an actor. As an actor, you have to be very moldable, and very agreeable, and just do what the director tells you to do, and be that person that they want you to be, and follow orders, and follow instructions.
Veronica Moya (51m 28s):
And I was not very good at that. Right. So as soon as I realized that, and I threw my hands in the air, and I said, “Alright, what am I supposed to do?” And I was able to, like I said, follow the organic footsteps. Follow the, you know. Life really takes you. If you let it, life will show you, I think we’re all meant for greatness. We’re all meant for success, and happiness. And sometimes we just get on our own way. We don’t find it because we are obsessing about something, “It’s my passion. It’s my…” Yeah, alright, it’s your passion. I mean, I love singing. I’m still a good singer. You know, I love performing. I do.
Veronica Moya (52m 9s):
But so what? So the answer is, yes, you can achieve it if you get out of your own way. So I think people’s worst enemy is this idea of like, Oh, you know, they romanticize things. “Oh, I wandered…” Oh, please. Now, what do you, what is really that you want? Because me, I wanted independence. I wanted financial freedom. And I wanted to be able to run a business remotely. And this year just showed me that I can do that. It’s fantastic. So that’s a success. That’s amazing. I could never do this in Argentina. Actually, wedding officiants do not exist in Argentina.
Veronica Moya (52m 51s):
There’s no such thing.
Alina Warrick (52m 53s):
Wow.
Veronica Moya (52m 54s):
Right. You had to get married in the courthouse. Yes or yes. For the marriage to be legal you get married at City Hall. And then if you’re a religious person, then you’ll go to the church, and then you have a church wedding. But the church wedding is not legal by it. It’s just for the church. So you want to be married, you go to the
Alina Warrick (53m 16s):
And such powerful advice. I mean, it’s so refreshing to hear that, that we can reach the American dream, but we just have to be able to pivot and change our direction. And like you said, life will give us different opportunities and different things that we can change in our life to reach that American dream. So yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for sharing that. And so what are some things that you would advise the next aspiring immigrant that wants to start their own business?
Veronica Moya (53m 44s):
Wants to start their own business. Honestly, my opinion is that if you want to start a business, just to start a business, I’m suspicious of that. I don’t know. Well, because nowadays, because I see this is a sales pitch, right? “Oh, you can be your own boss, you can start your own business, you can get a side hustle.” Yeah, now, you can’t. Maybe you can, maybe you can’t. But I don’t think it should start that way. I think, once again, pay attention and let it be organic. For me the way was is I learned I worked for other companies and other people for a long, long time. A long time, and that’s how I learned.
Veronica Moya (54m 24s):
And that’s how life showed me that working for other people was not the way to go for me. It was like a foot that got too big for the shoe, and it just didn’t fit anymore, and I had to take ownership of my essence and my leadership skills. And then building a business just happened because there was no other way. So when I hear that people want to start their own business, I always cringe. To be honest, I get a little suspicious and a little nervous. And I feel sorry for them if the motivation is just to start a business because you want to start a business online. Mmm… You should already, you know, you should start a business because there’s no other way.
Veronica Moya (55m 6s):
You have to because there’s… you know what I mean? Like, I don’t know, if you’re already a wonderful cook or a chef and you’re being working for other people, and things don’t work out. And then and you’re really creative. And all right, so now, there’s no other way but to start your own business and try it. I don’t know. It’s just that my story, it wasn’t like that. It wasn’t like, “Oh, I’m going to be an entrepreneur. I’m going to be my own boss. I’m going to start my business.” Which is said, Yes. Because let me tell you, you are never your own boss. I mean, I have a million bosses now. All my clients, and some are very unpleasant. Yes, all my clients are my bosses, because they are demanding, and they tell you what they want, and they expect things from you.
Veronica Moya (55m 51s):
So you have to always be in your best behavior. So I want to start a business, I don’t understand that mentality, I’m not the best person to give that advice. Once again, I think it should be organically, and it should be because there’s no any other way. Because if there was, you probably are better off just working for someone, getting a 41k, getting your, the retirement, and the health insurance, and all that stuff that we don’t have, you know. So as a business owners, you had to get creative, and you had to pay a lot of things, and a lot of taxes, and there’s a lot of stuff. Yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know why anybody would say, I want to have my own business.
Veronica Moya (56m 31s):
I don’t understand that wanted to do that. So I cannot advise you that. I just did it. Because like I said, it just happened. And it was like, it really felt like someone was pushing me in that direction. I just ended up in the middle of… I ended up on it.
Alina Warrick (56m 48s):
Yeah, and a lot of times there is a push, but immigrants are afraid to take risk, or immigrants think that they can’t do it because the brand new country. Or you know, they think that you
Veronica Moya (56m 58s):
Yeah, then don’t do it. If you feel that way, then don’t do it. You have to have conviction that what you are given is the best product that there is out there. I did have that. I always knew I was the best. No, I because for the reasons that I said, when I stand in front of a couple I know I am given my all. And I know since, so I have a lot of officiants now that worked for me. And my husband has to stop me because I’m a pain in the ass. Like I, you know, I watched them do it. “Oh, I shall you should do like this, and you should.” And it’s wrong. You know, you cannot be like, you cannot micromanage anyone. But I compare them, my husband tells me, they’re never gonna be like you.
Veronica Moya (57m 39s):
They’re never gonna. And yes, I was the best. And this is why people still hire me. You know, 12 years later, they still want me to officiate. I had no doubts about that. I never was afraid. What I was afraid of, is that there is enough work out there. Like, is there enough demand that I can pay my bills doing this? That was the concern. Not a concern, “Oh, I’m new. I don’t know anybody.” If you are at that stage, then don’t do it. Because of course I was at that stage for 10 years. I didn’t start my own business in 2003 or two, right? So if you’re feeling that way, then maybe you need a little more time.
Veronica Moya (58m 19s):
Honestly, like don’t go with panic and fear because it’s not going to work. I don’t think it’s going to be any good. I didn’t have that. I mean, there’s always that fear, obviously. But like I said, if it’s meant to be, if that’s the right journey for you, things are going to work out unless it’s going to show you, it should be easy. If it is too much of a struggle. I don’t know. Anyway, that’s my take.
Alina Warrick (58m 44s):
That’s a powerful advice, Veronica. Oh, my goodness, thank you so much. Invaluable advice to all of immigrants listening. And I want to thank you again for coming on the Immigrant Entrepreneurs Podcast. It was truly a pleasure and an honor to speak with you. And I’m really excited to see what’s going to come with you in the future. I wish you all the best as it passes. And thank you so much, Veronica.
Veronica Moya (59m 6s):
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Alina Warrick (59m 9s):
Alrighty guys, thank you so much for tuning in. If there are any links that were mentioned in this episode, make sure to check them out on my website under this episode to find all the links conveniently located in the show notes. I just wanted to ask for a quick favor, if you could please leave a review wherever you’re at listening to this podcast. Also, if you’re an Immigrant Entrepreneur and would love to be on my podcast, please email me and we’ll get connected. I’ll see you guys all next time for another exciting and impactful episode. Take care.
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